kenneth copeland shows the way, to the bank
If it wasn’t so tragic you would laugh, or if it wasn’t so funny, you would cry! Oh, I dunno, just read this ( copeland02pdf.pdf.) Care of Wittenburg Door.
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Remember that there are three pages in the file. Gotta read all the way through. Its mainly piccies.
Just re-read it, actually it absolutely infuriates me.
This man and his ‘ministry are nothing less than a perversion of the good news Jesus was on about.
So sad, so sad
Alan, I’m just curious. Why show this?
Wow! That’s pretty sad!!
It is sad! When I first came to Christ a co-worker took me to her church. This visiting pastor was very similar to Copeland. Talked about his leer-jet, how God had blessed him. You could buy copies of his autographed sermons.
This was an inner-city church consisting of very poor people. They started actually throwing there money on the altar. To me it was nothing more than feeding a different kind of addiction.
Jonathan,
I know you asked the question of Alan, but I believe it is at the very least “exposing the unfruitful works of darkness” and calling out heresy. This is heretical to the spirit and nature of the person of Jesus.
There is actually a personal nerve that this connects with. My parents have been “fans” of Copeland for several years which in some cases have created rather interesting conversations around the Thanksgiving table.
I too am deeply disturbed by Ken’s portrayal of the gospel and your reference to tears is not far off Alan!!!
It’s cool how it can generate discussion though. My mom and older brother are new to Christ. We were just talking about Copeland and the meaning of church. We talked, discussed, read God’s Word, ate, prayed and sent my brother off with money to pay for the trip, gifts, and our blessings.
So, thanks for the post, Jesus work through anything!
jonothan because this should be nailed for what it is. We let it pass us by too easily. Do you find it offensive? Why?
I don’t find it offensive that you posted it. As much as it is sad, there’s an element I’m wrestling with of how much we point out this stuff. It’s your blog. I just don’t know if I know yet the value of publishing it.
I call it the bugger factor. If you have a bugger on your face, yes, be nice, don’t point it out to everyone. Gently wipe it off. However, when someone refuses to listen and still has a bugger dripping from their nose, do you want to drink out of the same glass? Or do you want to yell, “Bugger?! Than everyone can run.
I think we need to be respectful and not point these things out. There comes a point and time though where it is gross. You scream, “My God, don’t drink out of that glass!”
Got to share the bugger story! Sorry! First boyfriend has a bugger on his face, gross! Throw a pillow at him hoping it will come off. Problem: Does not come off, but winds up on the tip of his nose! Than he wants to kiss me! Ughh……….Everyone including me see’s it but he does not. What’s the best thing to do? Do you tell him or just kiss him anyways?
Penney,
I’m sorry, but the bugger metaphor falls short to me. This is Tuberculosis. No…that even falls short, because people with TB are not responsible for having it. The shame is on Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyer, and the like. They are preying on widows and are anti-Christ in message, character, and spirit. In cases like this the rebuke should be as public as the offense. These false prophets are loud, boisterous, and flaunt their ways and means. I was in this camp in my early years as a Christian (over 25 years ago) and within less than 2 years I knew from the word and the Spirit on my insides, that these people were not of the Spirit of Jesus. After Pastoring for almost 20 years and constantly helping (literally) widows that couldn’t pay their heating bills but were sending social security checks to Copeland, Hagin, Paul & Jan Crouch…you can better believe I am a big fan of pointing them out.
While I do not follow all these people, you mentioned Joyce Meyers, she helped me! Do I follow her, no! I use to want to be like Joyce Meyers, now, I’m happy being me. I’m actually content to be very simple.
Always be careful of your defense! Jesus was blameless!
Alan,
Far to long the peddlers of promise have criss-crossed the globe spouting a different gospel.
Far to long the church of Jesus has stood by and watched them, without pointing out the cheapness of the wares they sell.
I now feel this is changing, I hear many voices calling to look carefully at these kings of christian shell gaming…”Their words may be beautiful, but they are wearing no clothes!”
Thank God for those voices.
I think it is good to post this link. People need to know.
But is this new? If we really wanted to we could create a lot of these comics. They are funny because they are true. And in the process of finding the gnat we lose our focus of mission. We get derailed from what we really are called to do.
Copeland’s not listening. He is getting investigated though.
http://www.kcm.org/john_copeland.php
Jonathan, I think it is part of apostolic Christianity to weed out mutations. This is clearly a dangerous mutation.
I grew up in this movement. Copeland, Hagan, Roberts, and more cluttered my world from the time I was in the third grade on. It did not have a good affect on my spiritual formation in the long run. Jonathan - I hear ya brother but so many people still blindly follow certain of these word of faith leaders and as long as they are, I feel, as Alan that we have an apostolic responsibility to at least point out the error - - just as people like MacArthur think they have a responsibility to point out areas they think we are in error. We have to live by our convictions right?
Seems there is a little envy here. Povvo christians jealous of another’s vast wealth, huh?
Wealthy organisations and individuals can be far more effective that some widow with her mite.
Wow - this is just so incredibly sad. I worked for World Vision and World Relief and we sure could have used a few of those resources on the field. Blessings, Jim
Kenneth Copeland put on a excellent performance at his latest ministers conference held on January 22,2008 visible at http://www.wittenburgdoor.com/copelandclips , which has now gotten the attention of people all across the USA, and abroad. The message he was unmistakably sending, came across loud and clear on every subject he was addressing. From voicing his personal feelings about the senate investigation, to a multitude of other issues facing KCM today. Surprisingly, Kenneth does admit to some element of truth in the letter KCM received from the Senate, but did not go into any detailed explanations. Also in his defense, he makes the accusation that the truth is being twisted a bit. A old saying comes to mind , what comes around goes around. Years of promoting the promises of prosperity, physical healing, and last but not least the twisting of biblical scripture for personal gain has returned to KCM full circle.
“ I had a home“, “I had a life“, “I had faith“, “I had a family“, “I lost a loved one“, these are merely a handful of endless testimonies coming to light nationwide. Ranging from all walks of life, their heartbreaking testimonies can be found throughout the web, yet inconceivably, victims are being labeled as fools, ignorant, and basically downright blind for not seeing the truth behind the Prosperity Gospels falsehoods. Being only human, our quest for health and wealth, regrettably does lead some in the wrong direction. Promises and guaranties, made by the Prosperity Gospel ministers, give people that have not obtained these blessings on their own, a second chance at achieving their goals in life. An important discovery I made while reviewing testimonies, revealed the fact numerous victims had very little knowledge of the Prosperity Gospels dark side. These unfortunate victims, appear to be equipped with only a small portion of the web of deceit these ministers weave . For example, picture yourself being raised in a small country town, with a population of only a few hundred, the closest city, only a population of only a few thousand. Computers, internet, cable, satellite TV, and other high tech gadgets are not needed or desired. This was my life, before KCM.
Prosperity Gospel ministers enter the homes of many victims though a thirty minute Sunday morning worship service on a local broadcast station. Myself, growing up in Jigger La., truly located in the middle of nowhere, I can testify to the fact that we only received on a clear day about three or four channels at most. Therefore warnings of the numerous dangers, and intentional deceit, associated with Prosperity Gospel ministries, being made by critics, ministers, and victims went unheard by many. The irony of this are the many warning labels we all encounter every day. From cleaning supplies to over the counter medications, labels posted on various products warn us of the dangers associated with that particular product. Regrettably Prosperity Gospel does not offer this, but should! Family’s have lost their homes, lifesavings, and some even their lives to the Prosperity Gospel.
Unfortunately my mother was not one of the lucky ones, her confidence, and faith in this false Gospel, ultimately cost her, her life. After more than a decade of programming her mind to believe and think the Prosperity Gospel way of life, she lost her battle with cancer. By refusing medical attention, she sealed her fate, but the programming she had acquired from Kenneth and Gloria Copeland proved strong all the way to her last breath. A diary she left behind revealed the horrific tale of her life from 1992-2002, the top of each page titled with Kenneth Copeland, Gloria Copeland, or BVOV. Some mistakes in life we can not undo, and good intentions don’t always go as planed, these victims are simply following misleading promises of health and wealth. Their use of miraculous healing confessions, and newly found wealth testimonies, are their sales pitch, my mother among others, are proof that their sale pitch does work. The possibility of certain Mega churches misusing contributors finances for their own personal luxuries is ultimately what brought this scam to the publics attention, not the loss of life, the financially bankrupt, nor the numerous homeless victims that have been left in the wake of this devastating hoax.
Knowledge, is the only discovery I found to be effective in this seemingly endless battle. Sadly for some our efforts will go unheard. As for my family, once again I am addressing another envelope to Kenneth Copeland Ministries, asking once again for a summery of my mothers (Bonnie Parker) contributions to KCM, and since they have bankrupt our family also due to the numerous expenses we encountered before and after mom’s death, and once more, ask them to purchase a headstone for mom. I believe they at least owe her that much.
The family of Bonnie Parker
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Photo, before and after KCM,
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Documentary Suffer The Children, exposes televangelists lavish lifestyles ,
http://www.wittenburgdoor.com/suffer-children
Book recently published by Sara Posner, also looks into these subjects,
http://www.amazon.com/Gods-Profits-Republican-Crusade-Values/dp/0979482216
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